Redux: “I don’t know if I believe in that.”

Somebody I talked with a couple of days ago (we were having an online date) said the above. I’ve addressed this before. Relocation astrology is met with skepticism even by people who are into astrology. I think it’s necessary to address this because I think that how we talk about relocation astrology, what kinds of things we accept as truth, can influence how they are taken by the public.

I have taken an expansive view of relocation astrology. An astrologer I talked with over four years ago, before I moved more than halfway across the country, talked with me. (She is the wife of the person who is teaching our Vibrational Astrology course, and does a lot of the administrative work for the school). This was after I had visited Colorado but before I moved there. I talked about the idea of my ascendant changing, and her blunt response to me was,

“You’re always a Scorpio rising. Your ascendant doesn’t change.”

It was disconcerting. Well, the proof would be in the pudding as I moved less than a month later.

I had planned this move for several months. I even sold my car and bought a Subaru Forester precisely because it was tall enough to hold a dog carrier, and I needed a dog carrier to transport my cat, something large enough with food and a litter pan. I’d be driving for three days.

I left on May 4, 2016. I arrived in Boulder late in the day on May 6. (You try transporting a cat across the country for three days. All I can say is that Day 2 was the easiest and Day 3 was the hardest, where she gave out meows and noises that made me think she was dying.)

I had lived in Pittsburgh, and my stops were the Chicago area and Omaha, NE. I was following my planetary lines. I have Jupiter opposite Saturn in my birth chart, with a 3 1/2 degree orb, and my Saturn descending line (which again, are diagonal lines), is about 100 miles east of Omaha and my Jupiter ascending line is about 100 miles west of Omaha. Somewhere around there is where my Scorpio ascendant relocates to Libra as I go further west.

I have said this before: The biggest reason I moved was to get Jupiter in my first house. As I eventually passed through my Jupiter ascending line relatively early in the day on May 6. I had noticed it a year ago when I visited. It was subtle, but it was there. There was the change in affect. There wasn’t that feeling of contentment anymore (Jupiter 12th house characteristic), but there was the feeling of capability, optimism, self-confidence, vitality, and some of the other things that I read. This stayed with me for the final six hours of my drive.

Fast forward over the following months for a second. The capability took a fair amount of time to manifest, like building up a skill set, a muscle. This takes time for it to fully manifest.

When I arrived in Boulder with my cat, I started noticing those Libra rising traits. One obvious one was the change that Jeanne Avery described:

“His psychic awareness or perceptions can be quite acute, coming to him on a plane of “knowingness”. He doesn’t receive flashes of inspiration, he simply “knows.”

That’s compared to Scorpio rising, where the epiphany is everything. I noticed this change in particular once I had arrived and was settling in to my first of several AirBnb rentals before settling for good.

If Scorpio rising was still supposed to have an influence on me, it wasn’t obvious that it did anymore. There was a fundamental change in my thinking and in my psyche. There was a lack of paranoia. I am starting to conclude that the characteristics you exude are, in part, a choice.

My date, on the other hand, is born with Leo rising. I haven’t relocated her chart yet, but it would almost certainly relocate to Cancer, or an outside chance of even Gemini! It wouldn’t be in Leo anymore. And yet, her Leo rising characteristics were clear as a bell — I noticed them pretty quick. In Avery’s book, the first two paragraphs of the section on Leo goes as follows:

“Leo is the royal sign The person with this ascendant is dramatic, regal in his bearing, and certainly in control of any situation. Leo rising is the ascendant of “kingship”; the symbol is the lion, king of the beasts. (You can see the natural comparison). Leadership and executive ability are easy for one with this ascendant. It seems that he came into this world to express individuality, dominance, and strength. When he walks into a room, he exudes a vibrancy that is not easily ignored. There is no doubt about his dramatic ability, as that seems to be a natural quality for him to express. He is the actor of the zodiac.

“The ruler of Leo is the Sun. Since the Sun is the source of heat, energy, and light, the kind of dynamic personality that goes with this ascendant is especially sparkling. Leo rising is literally a ball of fire. His energy is almost always high. He is an extrovert and can be somewhat of an exhibitionist at heart. If he is the shy type of Leo, he still commands attention. He can be the life of any party and is never at a loss for social invitations and friendship. Everyone else may actually seem a little tame in comparison.”

(The book was published in 1982, where pronouns still defaulted to “he” and “him”, for what it’s worth.)

So whereas a friend who I made a couple of years ago back east, one with both Scorpio sun AND Scorpio rising, remarked to me that she didn’t think I acted like a Scorpio rising, my date has appeared to embrace her Leo rising characteristics, even though the relocated sign has clearly moved backwards one, or possibly even two signs.

In general, this difference is worth exploring through research. The research should be targeted and using sophisticated methodologies that accept assumptions based on astrological sources like Jeanne Avery’s The Rising Sign, but also other sources I use (which have been mentioned a lot and which I use in my own practice). I would be honored to develop such a study.

This is more data we can have. There are many people who will take issue with something someone says about their chart — “this isn’t me.” It doesn’t happen all that often, but it does happen. When it comes to relocation, I suspect it has something to do with freedom of choice, which is not absolute, of course.

There are some changes we can’t control, and I’ve mentioned some of them (like the talents and skills we might bring to a completely different occupation that we wouldn’t have even fathomed that we can do. This happens a lot with people.

A friend remarked to me that the relocation tends to “add” new characteristics, new possibilities. We definitely need to look into this more.

By David Muir

David Muir recieved his PAC as a 2020 graduate of the Avalon School in Vibrational Astrology. He has been a practicing astrologer having studied astrology since 1997. He specializes in relocation astrology, particularly in terms of how both one's character and external influences change in a new location. He has interests in compatibility, and just generally “getting the necessary information out there for you,” which can entail personology as well as different interpretations in general. David writes a 2x/weekly blog in both relocation astrology and other astrological topics of interest, on

David received a BA from Carlow University in 2011 with concentrations in philosophy, writing, and political science. He does a 2x/month radio show and has lived in Denver, CO since 2016.

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