This will be another repost. This is basically my 7th day of being not well. My fever comes and goes and has been as high as 101.8. This is something chronic and the doctor I saw via telemedicine yesterday afternoon said that this was serious and I definitely need to be seen. My friend suggests that it might be an abscess, somewhere in my body (other than headaches, I don’t feel any pain).
I’m going through the two malefics and the two benefics, per Maren Altman, and her take on astrocartography. She reminds us:
- In a day chart, Mars lines are malefic lines.
- In a night chart, Saturn lines are malefic lines.
- In a day chart, Jupiter lines are benefic lines.
- In a night chart, Venus lines are benefic lines.
As for me, because my Saturn descending line goes diagonally through Kansas City, meaning that as the crow flies, I’m about 550 miles from my Saturn descending line. I was trained by David Cochrane to use small orbs, but I’m starting to accept larger distances as legitimate. 550, though, is pushing it. There are some astrologers who will go there, though. My chart is a night chart.
Here’s the article I posted, dating to October 20, 2020. These are mostly interpretations and have nothing to do with what Maren Altman has to say. It’s just another take for greater understanding.
Following up on the Jupiter lines, Saturn in some ways is Jupiter’s opposite. (Refer to my post about Jupiter lines on October 5.) So we’re going to be really serious today. I’ll repost the information about what each of the lines means:
- The ascending line is the location on the earth where the planet is rising. (As a corollary, the ascendant is the point on the horizon — northeast, southeast, or anywhere in between — where the sun would be rising at the time of birth). A planetary ascending line is the planet on the cusp of the first house.
- The descending line is the locaiton on the earth where the planet is setting. (The descendant is the point on the horizon — northwest, southwest, or anywhere in between — where the Sun would be setting at the time of birth). A planetary descending line is the planet on the cusp of the 7th house.
- The MC lines are where a planet would be at its highest point of the day in the sky, or essentially on the prime meridiem. They will be directly south above the Tropic of Cancer, directly north below the Tropic of Capricorn, or overhead (the possibility for being overhead only exists between the tropics). A planetary midheaven line is the planet on the cusp of the 10th house.
- The IC lines are where a planet would be at its lowest point of the day underneath the earth. A planetary IC line is the planet on the cusp of the 4th house.
Ascending and descending lines are usually diagonal, especially if they’re near the Gemini-Cancer cusp or the Sagittarius-Capricorn cusp. Midheaven and IC lines are always vertical.
Saturn rules both Capricorn & Aquarius (thus in detriment in Cancer & Leo) and is exalted in Libra (thus in fall in Aries). This, of course, is irrelevant to the study of what happens when you are on or very near a Saturn line.
It should also be said that David Cochrane’s Sirius astrological software includes much, much more than just the four angles. If a planet aspects the Ascendant or Midheaven in any way (noviles, septiles, and quintiles are fair game on the really detailed maps) then that shows up on the map.
I could spend an entire year’s worth of posts discussing various aspects to angles of various planets, but I’m not going to do that. It should be said that he’s developed Treasure Maps (as part of that program) in order to consolidate that information into specific categories — Love & Romance, Friendship & Family, Vocation & Career, Excitement & Instability, and six other categories. Actually, looking at these Treasure Maps might be a good idea for the next post.
To define Saturn, and since most of you reading have some rudimentary knowledge of what it means, I thought it would be interesting how the lack of Saturn manifests with the expression of other planets.
This is from Simon Benjamin’s “Moon in Capricorn: Redeming Saturn in Astrology” e-book.
WORLD without SATURN
For just a moment, let’s pretend Saturn does not exist. Happy? In this section, I go through each planet and show you what would happen if other, so-called benign, planets ruled the world without Saturn.
Note: I am aware that Sun, Moon, and Pluto are not planets, but that’s how they are referred to in astrology.
- Sun: Sun without Saturn is a big ball of fire that burns everything in sight. Without Saturn’s steely boundaries, the Sun is like an unconstrained forest fire. Everyone has fun for the sake of having fun. Nobody does any work and so civilization eventually crumbles.
- Moon: Moon without Saturn is a world where nobody leaves the house; people sit on the couch and consume junk foods all day long. Outside, everyone bumps into each other like they are drunk or half-asleep, constantly mumbling passive-aggressive remarks. There is no civility or order.
- Mercury: Mercury without Saturn is random numbers and words without any shape or form. Have you ever opened a text document and saw nothing but a display of illegible characters and symbols, and gasped? That’s Mercury without Saturn: incoherent communication and an overload of useless information.
- Venus: Venus without Saturn is a nightmare version of open relationships, where there’s a complete absence of any rules of interaction. No family bonds. No marriage contracts. No respect for elders. Everyone is extremely manipulative; people treat each other as they wish: savagery in relationships.
- Mars: Mars without Saturn is instant gratification galore. Everyone only concerns themselves with satisfying their immediate impulses, without any regard for future consequences. Basically, it’s a jungle out there and you are lucky if you survive a single day.
- Jupiter: Jupiter without Saturn is a world where every whimsical idea and belief carries peopel into fanatacism and impracticality. Without structures, individuals are “sacrificed” for nothing but mere visions of an idealistic future.
- Uranus: Uranus without Saturn is complete, constant, and utter chaos. This is a world where rebellion is for the sake of rebellion. There is nothing steady or reliable. Earthquakes occur every two seconds.
- Neptune: Neptune without Saturn is a living art project. Nothing is as it seems. Magic, tricks, and illusions abound. Although eveyrthing seems beautiful, one gets an eerie feeling that something sinister lurks behind all that glamour.
- Pluto: Pluto without Saturn is life on constant survival mode. Everyone is paranoid and can’t seem to relax, ever. Everyone is more real than you’d like, so you are always scared that the person in front of you may bite your arm at any moment.
Moving on to the Astro Map, I’ll post the one for Time Passages (an astrological software program) for someone I know. (Birth data is not revealed). I’ll include the Time Passages interpretations for these lines. I also will cite the entries for Dan Furst’s book “Finding Your Best Places: Using Astrocartography to Navigate Your Life.”
Looking for the Saturn on the Ascending line, we zero in here:
You can see the Saturn ascending line flowing from Russia through Mongolia, through the Gobi Desert in China and then near some major cities in southeast China, then near Southeast Asia, the Phillipines, Indonesia, then then crossing down Australia rather near Melbourne and touching Tasmania.
Here’s the Time Passages interpretation.
With Saturn on the Ascendant in this location, you are likely to take on additional responsibilities when visiting or relocating here. This potentially causes hardship but also engenders significant achievement and long-term reward as a result of hard work. You may learn more about the art of self-reliance during your time here. You could find that you come to wear a new-found sense of responsibility like a well-worn uniform. Your travels to this part of the world bring out a perhaps uncharacteristic sense of reserve in you and a strong, grounded sense of your limits. This might include a graceful capacity of saying “no.” While outer limits can help with your focus, inner limits that might reveal themselves could resolve into subconscious fears that you slowly work through in a step-by-step fashion. You do want to watch that you don’t take yourself too seriously. On the other hand, it behooves you to take advantage of the discipline you can access here and use it to create tangible results for yourself. The lessons of the time that you spend here may only make themselves manifest over the long haul.
Dan Furst writes that
“Saturn lines are above all work lines. They represent serious minded disciplined effort in pursuit of important goals, often under adverse conditions that call forth our grittiest determination. While these lines are never easy, especially in contrast to the blue Venus and Jupiter lines, they may be exactly what is needed for people who have never learned to apply themselves, and they often mark good university locations for people who are about to outgrow the breeze and fluff of high school, and begin to focus on the practical business of preparing for a career, often under the guidance of an older Saturnian mentor.”
Here’s his interpretation of one’s Saturn Ascending line:
Under a Saturn on the Ascendant line, we can project Saturn’s sober, heavy qualities into our outer environments, acquring at best a dignity and gravitas that gain us a reputation as serious characters who can be relied upon to be impeccable with our word, and deliver what we’ve promised. If we take ourselves too seriously, we can become figures of ridicule .. We can also respond to criticism from others by taking on a self-righteous posture of Puritanical self-denial, depriving ourselves of lifes pleasure to gain goals that may seem worthier only to ourselves. Success can come in time, but the price had best be understood.
The Midheaven line for this person is as follows:
This Saturn Midheaven line slices through eastern Alaska, but that’s mostly about it until it reaches Antarctica. It’s too far away from Hawaii to have any influence. It appears to go near or through some islands in the Southern Pacific.
Here’s the Time Passages interpretation:
With Saturn on the Midheaven, you are concerned with hard work and achievement when visiting or residing in this location. You may find personal and romantic goals take a back seat to career ambitions in this part of the world and you are likely to be seen as responsible and reliable. You become highly dedicated to your sense of purpose in service to the greater collective values of society and have the willfulness and the stamina to make results happen. Patience, thoroughness and discipline may become your watchwords. Establishing good boundaries comes naturally. When you do not maintain discipline and stay grounded you might suffer for it, for reality checks abound here. As you learn to trust yourself and your abilities, and as you take the time and make the effort needed to get it right, you gain in admiration from those around you for a job well done. Come to terms with your expectations and create structures and rhythms that support you in reaching your goals, and you may find this place to be the most productive of destinations for you.
Dan Furst’s interpretation is as follows:
This applies especially to the studious, dogged Saturn on the MC line, often thought to be the best of the Saturn lines because it points up to the apex of the professional success and recognition that come from the hard work that the I Ching implies in its famous line, “Perserverence furthers.” This Saturn line focuses to the point of solitude, and applies to figures like the author or scholar working through the night, the monk in his scriptorium. The dangers of the line are easy enough to imagine, for one can adopt an adversarial, ego-bound “I’ll show them” posture rather than a commitment to produce one’s finest, and be refined in the crucible of sacrifice for a spiritual goal.
Here’s the map of the Saturn Descending line:
In this case the client’s Saturn line goes through Chile, Bolivia, western Brazil, and the three tiny countries on the northeast portion of South America. It does go through parts of northern Scandinavia, but it’s so close to horizontal at that point (high latitudes) I’m not really sure how influential it is.
Here’s the Time Passages interpretation of the Saturn Descending line:
With Saturn on the Descendant, you may in this locale find yourself considering relationship from the standpoint of authority, discipline and structure. You could develop an essential work connection here or encounter an important and long-term partner, perhaps in the form of a mentor or older person. This can also be a good place to go to get clear about which direction a relationship might be heading. You may feel thrown back upon yourself to provide the answers. Relationships that you create here tend toward the sober, and could serve more practical than romantic ends. Traditional values tend to prevail. At its most challenging, you could find that in this location you attract exacting or bossy people to yourself, or perhaps the opposite: significant others who want you to be more of a parent than a partner. At its best, you create partnership here where you share in responsibility, working with significant others to build a sustainable, productive, and lasting connection.
Dan Furst has it as follows:
The Saturn on the Descendant line is not a pretty sight. Her the emphasis is on relationships, which tend to be long on duty, short on delight, so that here one can carry a heavy load of professional and marital responsibility, and can beccome the complaining martyr who attracts the contempt of others. Job partnerships may involve older colleagues, and one may have an older love partner or spouse. There is a danger here of unequal partnership, in which one carries more than his share of the weight, and feels resentment from being ill-used. We can think of this as the Bitter Parent line, for if often appears in locations where people in late middle age are doing their best to care for elderly parents who give back nothing but abuse. A great line for masochists, and those who believe it is their lot in life to suffer.
Wow. Take heed.
Following is the image for the Saturn IC line on the person’s chart:
In this case the Saturn IC line goes through western Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, very close to the Sini Peninsula in Egypt, Egypt, Sudan, and down through the eastern side of Africa.
Here’s the Saturn on the Nadir (IC) per Time Passages:
With Saturn at the Nadir, when in this location you will feel an increased sense of responsibility especially around issues of home and family. You could find yourself called to attend to family duties or feel a sense of homeland while here. You could also find that here, your parents play a very central role in your life. On the other hand, you might feel that the time has come to take more responsibility for your own needs. You could encounter limits and boundaries here in a way that will ultimately contribute important lessons. Psychotherapy or other emotional containers could prove helpful. This is a part of the world where the consequences of careless actions will have to be reckoned with. You gain when you act fairly and delegate evenly. If you are a parent, challenges around parenting could arise and eventually serve to catalyze important growth. In any case, while you are here you could find yourself creating supportive structures that secure a healthy emotional life for you and your loved ones.
Here’s Dan Furst:
The Saturn on the Nadir line will usually mark or least happy places, unless we are moved by a compulsion to drive ourselves to the point of exhaustion. Here all our energies are devoted to the practical business of supporting our material life, so that under this Workaholic Line our job can become all-consuming to the exclusion of friendship and love, healthy pleasures, spiritual stillness and everything else, as though here we are in continuous monkey mind, only at a much slower, leaden tempo. We can be burdened here with home and family responsibilities, though it is possible to bear them gracefully, and gain the serenity of a stoic, contemplative life.
So Saturn seems to be particularly difficult on the Nadir (IC) and Descendant lines, and somewhat positive on the Ascending and Midheaven (MC) lines. This is not all that different from Mars, we might wish to question whether Mars is to be considered a ‘malific’ like Saturn. I’m not sure whether that word is even appropriate — malific.
I hope this has been helpful for you.